What is the difference between the SL500 and the SL500R ?

Discussion in 'SL Class' started by John, Jun 16, 2006.

  1. John

    John Guest

    What is the difference between the SL500 and the SL500R ?
    Please
     
    John, Jun 16, 2006
    #1
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  2. John

    OM Guest

    No difference.

    R is for roadster.

    They are often the 'call letters' used by the sales personnel when
    ordering, advertising, or processing the vehicles. Another example is V
    and W in S500V or S500W denoting the wheelbase with V as long wheelbase
    and W as standard wheelbase. Don't ask me why Mercedes-Benz choose those
    crytpic call letters...

    John wrote:
    > What is the difference between the SL500 and the SL500R ?
    > Please
     
    OM, Jun 17, 2006
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  3. John

    Juergen . Guest

    John wrote:
    > What is the difference between the SL500 and the SL500R ?


    As OM already said: None.

    Plus here it is absolutely superfluous to add an R as a
    500SL always is a Roadster.


    But coming to the example mentioned by OM
    _...S500V or S500W..._ it begins to make some sense,
    although it is a mix-up of official sales denominations
    and internal designations:

    First a S500 can be some different models, e.g. the current
    model line or the predecessor line.

    That's why there are internal designations which make clear
    which model it is - current S-Class = W221, predecessor = W220.
    And furthermore there's differences within the model, e.g.
    standard or long wheelbase.
    So there is
    W220 = S-Class, current model's predecessor, normal wheelbase
    V220 = S-Class, current model's predecessor, long wheelbase
    W221 = S-Class, current model, normal wheelbase
    V221 = S-Class, current model, long wheelbase

    W = Wagen = car (as in _passenger car_)
    V = Verlaengert = lengthened = long wheelbase

    BUT the system had it's changes over the years as well as
    some inconsistencies, e.g. there is a W638 and a W638/2.


    Coming back to the roadsters the system after WWII in the
    beginning only used internal _W_ prefixes:

    300 SL = W198 I (coupe with _gullwing doors_)
    300 SL Roadster = W198 II

    190 SL Roadster = W121 II
    (aka _Nitribitt-Mercedes_)

    230 SL /250 SL / 280 SL = W113 (_Pagode_, _pagoda_)

    Often the above models are referred to as _R198_, _R121_
    or _R113_ - and NO, I don't make any further comment about
    the _experts_ doing so...

    Only since the next model the internal designation system changed,
    no more _W_:
    280 SL/ 350 SL/ 450 SL/ 380 SL/ 500 SL/ 300 SL/ 420 SL/
    500 SL and 560 SL = R107

    (and all the models with an _SLC_ instead of an _SL_ are
    coupes, in this case = longer wheelbase + fixed roof = C107
    as they indeed are coupes)

    300 SL/ 300 SL-24/ SL 280/ SL 320/ 500 SL/ SL 500/ 600 SL/
    SL 600/ SL 60 AMG/ SL 55 AMG/ SL 73 AMG = R129 (predecessor of
    current model)

    SLK 200/ SLK 200 Kompressor / SLK 230 Kompressor = R170

    SL 350/ SL 500 (SL 550 in North America)/ SL 600/ SL 55 AMG/
    SL 65 AMG = R230 (current model)

    SLK 200 Kompressor/ SLK 280/ SLK 350/ SLK 55 AMG = R171 (current model)

    (and McLaren SLR is NOT _R199_, but _C199_, a coupe, no roadster)


    BTW: Did I mention there's a third system, combining the series
    with the engine displacement?
    E.g. R129 E32 (320 SL/ SL 320).
    And did I also mention from that system you cannot tell which it
    is, an R129 E32 being a SL 320 (with straight six) or a SL 320
    with V6-engine?

    And did I mention there is a fourth system, exactly stating
    what a car is? Model series and exact engine?
    So a R129.063 has a stright-six and an R129.064 a V6?
    And that a R129.063 can be from before and after the
    face-lift in 1995?

    So that one can add a MOPF to tell it is a face-lifted model?

    ....


    Juergen W123.123
    (All above from memory, so I may err here and there)
     
    Juergen ., Jun 20, 2006
    #3
  4. John

    John Guest

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:00:41 +0200, "Juergen ." <>
    wrote:

    >John wrote:
    >> What is the difference between the SL500 and the SL500R ?

    >
    >As OM already said: None.
    >
    >Plus here it is absolutely superfluous to add an R as a
    >500SL always is a Roadster.
    >
    >
    >But coming to the example mentioned by OM
    >_...S500V or S500W..._ it begins to make some sense,
    >although it is a mix-up of official sales denominations
    >and internal designations:
    >
    >First a S500 can be some different models, e.g. the current
    >model line or the predecessor line.
    >
    >That's why there are internal designations which make clear
    >which model it is - current S-Class = W221, predecessor = W220.
    >And furthermore there's differences within the model, e.g.
    >standard or long wheelbase.
    >So there is
    >W220 = S-Class, current model's predecessor, normal wheelbase
    >V220 = S-Class, current model's predecessor, long wheelbase
    >W221 = S-Class, current model, normal wheelbase
    >V221 = S-Class, current model, long wheelbase
    >
    >W = Wagen = car (as in _passenger car_)
    >V = Verlaengert = lengthened = long wheelbase
    >
    >BUT the system had it's changes over the years as well as
    >some inconsistencies, e.g. there is a W638 and a W638/2.
    >
    >
    >Coming back to the roadsters the system after WWII in the
    >beginning only used internal _W_ prefixes:
    >
    >300 SL = W198 I (coupe with _gullwing doors_)
    >300 SL Roadster = W198 II
    >
    >190 SL Roadster = W121 II
    >(aka _Nitribitt-Mercedes_)
    >
    >230 SL /250 SL / 280 SL = W113 (_Pagode_, _pagoda_)
    >
    >Often the above models are referred to as _R198_, _R121_
    >or _R113_ - and NO, I don't make any further comment about
    >the _experts_ doing so...
    >
    >Only since the next model the internal designation system changed,
    >no more _W_:
    >280 SL/ 350 SL/ 450 SL/ 380 SL/ 500 SL/ 300 SL/ 420 SL/
    >500 SL and 560 SL = R107
    >
    >(and all the models with an _SLC_ instead of an _SL_ are
    >coupes, in this case = longer wheelbase + fixed roof = C107
    >as they indeed are coupes)
    >
    >300 SL/ 300 SL-24/ SL 280/ SL 320/ 500 SL/ SL 500/ 600 SL/
    >SL 600/ SL 60 AMG/ SL 55 AMG/ SL 73 AMG = R129 (predecessor of
    >current model)
    >
    >SLK 200/ SLK 200 Kompressor / SLK 230 Kompressor = R170
    >
    >SL 350/ SL 500 (SL 550 in North America)/ SL 600/ SL 55 AMG/
    >SL 65 AMG = R230 (current model)
    >
    >SLK 200 Kompressor/ SLK 280/ SLK 350/ SLK 55 AMG = R171 (current model)
    >
    >(and McLaren SLR is NOT _R199_, but _C199_, a coupe, no roadster)
    >
    >
    >BTW: Did I mention there's a third system, combining the series
    >with the engine displacement?
    >E.g. R129 E32 (320 SL/ SL 320).
    >And did I also mention from that system you cannot tell which it
    >is, an R129 E32 being a SL 320 (with straight six) or a SL 320
    >with V6-engine?
    >
    >And did I mention there is a fourth system, exactly stating
    >what a car is? Model series and exact engine?
    >So a R129.063 has a stright-six and an R129.064 a V6?
    >And that a R129.063 can be from before and after the
    >face-lift in 1995?
    >
    >So that one can add a MOPF to tell it is a face-lifted model?
    >
    >...
    >
    >
    >Juergen W123.123
    >(All above from memory, so I may err here and there)



    Juergen W123.123
    What a memory. You must be more then 50 with a memory upgrade of a 25.
    I am going to print all, before my computer crashes and loses that
    very useful information
    Thanks
    John
     
    John, Jun 21, 2006
    #4
  5. John

    OM Guest

    And to throw in more confusion...

    They are referred to the current model range which is for 2006.

    The Europeans have 500 designation for its 5,5-litre V8 motor whilst the
    Americans have 550. Anyone care to explain why it is so? Perhaps Ferrari
    said, 'not so fast', because it had 550 Maranello? Or 500 is considered
    a sacred number?

    280 CDI and 320 CDI are the same displacement of three litres, but the
    former is a detuned version.

    450 is actually 4,7-litre V8.

    400 CDI is actually 4,2-litre V8. It was thought that Mercedes-Benz
    would supersede its amazing 4-litre V8 diesel (400 CDI), but it stuck
    with 400 CDI designation whilst puffing up the V8 motor to 4,2-litre.

    55 AMG is actually 5,4-litre V8. (The 5,5-litre V8 motor fitted to the
    W126 in 1980s is designated as 560). Mercedes-Benz must have some
    aversion toward 550 number...

    63 AMG is actually 6,2-litre V8 with poetic licence of adopting 6,3
    designation in tribute of AMG's first modified 300SEL 6,3 for racing.
    Yes, it was used for a short-lived 6,3-litre V12 motor producing 444
    horsepowers: a precursor to 612-horsepower V12 in 65 AMG.

    65 AMG is 6-litre V12 motor. Is it because Volvo staked the claim on S60
    for its mid-range saloon?

    That's all I can think of without doing some more research...

    Oliver

    Germany won the World Cup in 1954, 1974, and 1990. If you multiply 54 by
    74, you get 3996 for answer. And if you subract 3996 by 1990, you get
    2006. Could this be indication who will win World Cup 2006?

    Juergen . wrote:
    > John wrote:
    >> What is the difference between the SL500 and the SL500R ?

    >
    > As OM already said: None.
    >
    > Plus here it is absolutely superfluous to add an R as a
    > 500SL always is a Roadster.
    >
    >
    > But coming to the example mentioned by OM
    > _...S500V or S500W..._ it begins to make some sense,
    > although it is a mix-up of official sales denominations
    > and internal designations:
    >
    > First a S500 can be some different models, e.g. the current
    > model line or the predecessor line.
    >
    > That's why there are internal designations which make clear
    > which model it is - current S-Class = W221, predecessor = W220.
    > And furthermore there's differences within the model, e.g.
    > standard or long wheelbase.
    > So there is
    > W220 = S-Class, current model's predecessor, normal wheelbase
    > V220 = S-Class, current model's predecessor, long wheelbase
    > W221 = S-Class, current model, normal wheelbase
    > V221 = S-Class, current model, long wheelbase
    >
    > W = Wagen = car (as in _passenger car_)
    > V = Verlaengert = lengthened = long wheelbase
    >
    > BUT the system had it's changes over the years as well as
    > some inconsistencies, e.g. there is a W638 and a W638/2.
    >
    >
    > Coming back to the roadsters the system after WWII in the
    > beginning only used internal _W_ prefixes:
    >
    > 300 SL = W198 I (coupe with _gullwing doors_)
    > 300 SL Roadster = W198 II
    >
    > 190 SL Roadster = W121 II
    > (aka _Nitribitt-Mercedes_)
    >
    > 230 SL /250 SL / 280 SL = W113 (_Pagode_, _pagoda_)
    >
    > Often the above models are referred to as _R198_, _R121_
    > or _R113_ - and NO, I don't make any further comment about
    > the _experts_ doing so...
    >
    > Only since the next model the internal designation system changed,
    > no more _W_:
    > 280 SL/ 350 SL/ 450 SL/ 380 SL/ 500 SL/ 300 SL/ 420 SL/
    > 500 SL and 560 SL = R107
    >
    > (and all the models with an _SLC_ instead of an _SL_ are
    > coupes, in this case = longer wheelbase + fixed roof = C107
    > as they indeed are coupes)
    >
    > 300 SL/ 300 SL-24/ SL 280/ SL 320/ 500 SL/ SL 500/ 600 SL/
    > SL 600/ SL 60 AMG/ SL 55 AMG/ SL 73 AMG = R129 (predecessor of
    > current model)
    >
    > SLK 200/ SLK 200 Kompressor / SLK 230 Kompressor = R170
    >
    > SL 350/ SL 500 (SL 550 in North America)/ SL 600/ SL 55 AMG/
    > SL 65 AMG = R230 (current model)
    >
    > SLK 200 Kompressor/ SLK 280/ SLK 350/ SLK 55 AMG = R171 (current model)
    >
    > (and McLaren SLR is NOT _R199_, but _C199_, a coupe, no roadster)
    >
    >
    > BTW: Did I mention there's a third system, combining the series
    > with the engine displacement?
    > E.g. R129 E32 (320 SL/ SL 320).
    > And did I also mention from that system you cannot tell which it
    > is, an R129 E32 being a SL 320 (with straight six) or a SL 320
    > with V6-engine?
    >
    > And did I mention there is a fourth system, exactly stating
    > what a car is? Model series and exact engine?
    > So a R129.063 has a stright-six and an R129.064 a V6?
    > And that a R129.063 can be from before and after the
    > face-lift in 1995?
    >
    > So that one can add a MOPF to tell it is a face-lifted model?
    >
    > ...
    >
    >
    > Juergen W123.123
    > (All above from memory, so I may err here and there)
     
    OM, Jun 24, 2006
    #5
  6. > That's all I can think of without doing some more research...

    Or should it also be mentioned there was dirrerent 12- and 24-valve
    versions of at least 3 litre engines in early 90's.

    Reg: Harri
     
    Harri Markkula, Jun 25, 2006
    #6
  7. No. Argentina (or Brazil) for ever...

    :)
    DAS

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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    "OM" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    [...]
    >
    > Germany won the World Cup in 1954, 1974, and 1990. If you multiply 54 by
    > 74, you get 3996 for answer. And if you subract 3996 by 1990, you get
    > 2006. Could this be indication who will win World Cup 2006?

    [...]
     
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